PORT WASHINGTON COMMUNITY ORAL
THE REMINISCENCES OF KENNETH MARKLAND
The following interview is one of a series of tape recorded memoirs
in the Port Washington Public Library Community Oral History Program.
This series was developed in order to systematically gather historical
information about the important themes in Port Washington's history
from before the turn of the century until the present time.
This interview focuses on sandmining in Port Washington, and was part
of a New York Council for the Humanities Project, "Sands of Port",
conducted by the Public Library in 1981/2.
This interview took place in Port Washington during 1981 between Kenneth
Markland and Elly Shodell, Project Director.
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Kenneth B. Markland(KM) interviewed by
Elly Shodell(ES), December 31, 1981
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ES: Mr. Markland, I'm very glad you cooperated
in speaking with us today. I'm Mrs. Shodell from the Port Library.
KM: It's nice to know you, Mrs. Shodell.
ES: Excellent knowing you as well. I wanted
to ask you, Mr. Markland, what do you think of when you hear somebody
talking about the sandbanks?
KM: Well, there's not many people left
that can talk about them. See, I'm 72 years old and I've had alot of
experience, I went down when I was a boy. Would you like me to tell
the stories about it?
Q: Very much so.
KM: All right. They made serials down there
in the old time movies, The Perils of Pauline. They built alot
of shacks on the water ana with the tide come in and she was supposed
to be drowning, all this stuff. Then they made the Great Flood down
there, just old, ordinary picture, years and years ago, about forty,
fifty years ago. And then, first they started off with locomotives,
little locomotives, and they were cute, and my brother ran one of the
locomotives, and they would put the sand on and bring it down to the
docks. And then they invented that belt and away went the locomotives.
Then away went the locomotives, then come a little electric train, and
that was the last. And many years ago all the Italians came from Italy,
had an old shack down there, a bunch of old shacks, and there was an
old grocery store down there. They never come uptown but they brought
them over from Italy and they worked on the sandbank, and they made
their living there, for years and years. And some of the Port Washington
people made their living there, because in my father's day there was
nothing but sandbanks and estates and clamming.. He told me lots of
times, that's all there was here. And people here went away for the
winters, nobody lived out here in the winters, they went away for the
winter and came back in the summer. This was sort of a residence.
ES: I'd like to hear some more about your
brother, since he actually worked at the sandbank. Could you tell us
his full name and what company he worked for?
KM: Gallagher. His name was Alfred Markland,
and he lived to be 55 and he died of a heart attack.
ES: This is your brother? His name wasn't
KM: Yes, Alfred Markland, Alfred Markland,
ES: And how did he come to work for Gallagher?
KM: I don't know, everybody in the young
days were down there. That was the only thing around here, there was
nothing but estates and fishing and things like that, there was no other
income around here, because everybody in the winter time left the Island,
it was dead. Just clamdiggers were here. This goes pretty far back.
See, I'm 72 now.
ES: And Alfred worked the sandbanks right
here on Manhasset Isle?
KM: Oh no, right down there on Bar Beach.
This was never sand banks, this is just washed all off about thirty
years ago with a big force of water and then come the real estate, 1920
some thing, then come these little buildings up. Right here, Manhasset
Isle, was nothing but sand and little houses for boy scouts and things
like that and people come to the island for the summer, come out here,
it was beautiful.
ES: Where were you living at the time that
he worked the sandbank?
KM: I was living at 15 Main Street, I was
a little boy. My father owned a big, old house there.
ES: Were you a younger brother?
KM: Yes, yeah.
ES: And do you remember stories that your
brother told you
about work at the sandbanks?
KM: Yeah, he said he seen a man get chopped
up in a little
motor (?) one day, we wouldn't want to talk about that.
ES: Yes, we'd like to hear it.
KM: It ran right over the poor guy, a little
Italian, yeah. Yeah, he told about that.
ES: How long did he work with Gallagher?
KM: Quite a while, I think quite a while,
and then he was driving a truck for them, driving some kind of a dump
cart for them, I don't know what it is. I remember that. He showed me
how the gears worked, there was three gears in this old truck, it went
in and out like that. It was a funny thing, yeah.
ES: You visited him at work?
KM: Oh yes, I'd been there about two or
three times, yeah. And in the younger days we used to go down in the
swimming pools, you know. The sandbanks used to dig big holes and it
was full of water and us kids used to go down and swim in that water
it was beautiful. Of course, they chased you if they found you, but
it was beautiful. It was a whole lot water, you know, where they
KM: dug out. Of course, it was near the
bay, you know what I mean? And that was our swimming pool, yeah.
ES: And were you able to see the men working
from your swimming pool?
KM: No, no, oh yes, sure, no, no that
already had been dug out and then they went over further. No, they chased
you out of there, you couldn't...
ES: I'm interested in how you felt as a
little boy going to visit your brother working there. Was it scary to
see all that big equipment? How did you feel when you went over there?
KM: No, only little locomotives, nothing
like the trains, just the little fellas and they used to chug chug chug
and pull ten cars or eight, nine cars, of sand over the road, down to
the shore and then they'd load on the scows. Then, of course, the belt
came in. Then that went overhead and after awhile the belt went underneath...
No, wait a minute, the electric trains come, then the belt came. Then
that was the end of the... Then they disappeared about ten, fifteen
years ago, the whole sand banks all gone. You know how it is down there
now, all built up beautiful.
ES: What do you think about what is being
done there now?
KM: Well, in my days if you went down with
a camera you'd think you was out west, you know, hills all the way up
like that and there's dug 'em down like that. It was a nice scene. Now
they got houses way up on the hill. They have houses down there, if
you go down there sometime, do you see what it's like, like that? Well,
some day there's gonna be an awful storm and all those houses are gonna
slide right down that mountain. It's way, way up you've seen it, haven't
you, as you go down Bar Beach? They have boards like that to keep the
earth from going down but someday...well, it'll be something, I'm afraid.
ES: Yeah. Did you ever want to work in the
sandbanks like your brother?
KM: I was a baby, a little kid, about eight
years old, nine years old, you know. No, no.
ES: That was never one of your ambitions?
KM: No, all that disappeared, it didn't
disappear but people got out of the work, you know. This goes way back
when I was a little kid.
ES: Can you give the approximate years that
he worked there?
KM: In the '20s, it must have been in
the '20s, yeah. He got married and had five children. Then he got to,
after he got to a railroad man, yeah. And we had a man in town here
for many a year, he had one leg. He had lost his leg in the sandbanks.
KM: His name was Mike. He died about ten
years ago. We knew
him very well a nice man, a train went over him, went over his leg,
ES: Were there any other members of your
family who worked in the sandbanks?
KM: No, my father never worked in the sandbanks.
He started as a railroad man and he worked there for fifty years and
retired and lived ten years after and had a beautiful retirement and
all of that.
ES: When you say he was a railroad man what
does that mean?
KM: He was a conductor on the Long Island
Railroad, for fifty years. Yeah, I got his picture up there, he was
a fine looking man, yeah...
ES:, I'd like to see that.
KM: ... loved by everybody.
ES: What was his name?
KM: Alf (?) Markland. There he is, there,
just dirty but there he is.
ES: Very handsome.
KM: He was still in the railroad then,
he was six feet something,
a big man, nice, everybody loved him, always smiling. A very nice man.
ES: What year did he die?
KM: About fifteen years ago.
ES: Was he happy about your brother working
in the sandbanks?
KM: Yeah, because that was a pretty good
income runnin' the little locomotives there.
ES: Do you remember how much he made?
KM: No, I've no idea, no, I've no idea.
ES: And what about friends, did he have
friends who worked at the sandbanks?
KM: Yeah, but I never knew them, I never knew the friends. I only went
down two or three times and he showed me the locomotives. Yeah, it was
interesting. Then along come the electric trains and next come the belt.
Then it wasn't so interesting, it was alright. And they found many an
Indian skull down there when they first started years and years ago,
pottery and different
KM:... things they dug up was found in
the sandbanks, yeah.
ES: What did it feel like when you were
KM: It was a noisy thing, always made chk,
chk, chk, chk,
going across the asphalt road, it was only two lane down there then.
It was interesting. They made movies down there. They made "The
Perils of Pauline" and they made "The Great Flood". See,
what they did, they built alot of front houses, you know how they do
in Hollywood, just fronts, when the tide was way out. Then when the
tide was coming in and the waves were comin' in and they had some kind
of a fan on it and it looked like the houses were flooded and all that
ES: You observed this yourself when you
were a little boy?
KM: No, my brother told me about that.
"The Perils of Pauline" and "The Great Flood", that's
all I remember:
ES: I also heard "The Rose of the World",
with Elsie Ferguson?
KM: Only made serials, but serials. They
had them run up the sandbanks with ladders, you know, up on the trestle
up there, and had people act in all them crazy things, silly you know.
Yeah, movies were only about 25 cents then, 15 cents, I guess.
ES: Do you know what happened to the sand
after they took it from the banks? Where the sand went?
KM: They went on the scows up all over.
ES: Can you tell us where?
KM: Upstate in New York, all around. Of
course, there was big industry there, very big industry.
ES: Do you know what the sand sold for in
KM: I have no idea.
ES: I heard it was something like a penny
a gallon or something.
KM: Then we had the gravel companies,
too. That's still going down there. That and one sandbank is still going
down there. We had a man named Mr. Mosher, he his son did, he was the
boss of Gallagher, I think it was, . Ga1lagher's Sand and Gravel. I
think it's Gallagher.
ES: How do you spell that name?
KM: M o s h e r.
ES: And you don't know if he's still around?
KM: Oh no, they're both dead. His father
died about twenty
KM: years ago, and he was with me, he died
of cancer. He was a lovely guy.
ES: So you knew him after he worked at Gallagher's
or while he was there?
KM: Oh, while he was even working there,
he was head boss there and he had a house on Shore Road. There was three
big houses up on Shore Road, alot of people lived in the big, seven
room houses up there. And then they had some other houses over there.
The most interesting part was the Italian shacks down off the road,
all old, scrubby little things. They lived there, they never bothered
coming up town. They had a store down there, I forget the name of the
store, and they went to the store and that was it, that was their life.
But this goes way back. And then they cut them all down and they all
disappeared, all gone, just the memory of them.
ES: What about the big houses such as Mosher
lived in, are they still here?
KM: No, that was all cut away, all gone,
all ripped down, when the sandbanks went up there and cut right through
ES: How do you feel about that?
KM: Well, I spent many a night there with
my friend and his mother and them, it was very interesting. Had a little
Model-T Ford and I used to go down over Beacon Hill and go there and
go to the beach. Had a little private beach down there, it was nice.
ES: So you're sad to see all that gone?
KM: Yeah, I do, it was very picturesque,
very beautiful, in its olden days. It looked like the West where they
dug down and they had the hills come up like that, and up and down,
up and down. Now it's all big real estate now, right.
ES: Do you feel bad that the houses are
KM: Yes, because it was really country,
real country down there. It was only an ashphalt road of two lanes way
back, just two lane ashphalt [sic] road, and the hill went right down,
like that. A big change, yeah. Then we have the big disintegrater [sic]down
there, the what-do-you-call-it.
ES: Oh, the incinerator.
KM: The incinerator, yeah, that burns the
garbage up, there on the other side of it, the other's on the right.
ES: Do you remember any sandbanks on this
side of town?
KM: Yes, right up here where the W.E.F.
Towers was, back, do
you remember the W.E.F. .Towers? No, you don't remember that.
ES: I thought N.B.C. towers was up...
KM: W.E.F., cause I worked for a radio
man for many a year and we had to have a little gadget put on every
set so we could get the other stations because that was so powerful
W.E.F. station, that it would overcome our whole radio.
ES: Where, exactly, was that tower?
KM: You know where King Kullens is, well,
where that new development is, those buildings there, the new apartments,
well you looked right up. It was just a big hill and way, way, way up
was W.E.F. towers. I was in there when my oId boss was cleaning the
machinery and everything. It was interesting, yeah. He lived to be 91
years old. I worked for him for twenty years. I was with radio.
ES: What did you do?
KM: Radio, the beginning of radio, from
battery sets up. I used to deliver them, put them in houses, and in
the end it was television.
ES: Do you remember the, getting back to
the sandbanks, the trestles that were over Shore Road in the thirties?
KM: Oh, they were allover the top, towards
the end of that what do you call it? It's a belt, a big belt, going
over the top.
ES: Conveyer belt?
KM: Conveyer belt. And I think later on,
I didn't take much interest in it, but I think they went underneath
later on. And all these big, wooden scaffolds way up in the air and
went way, way down, down to the scows and dumped it on the scows.
ES: Do you remember what companies were
working on this side of town?
KM: It was Gallagher and O'Brien and I
don't know, different ones, I don't remember any more. I guess so, one
of them, I don't know. Names didn't bother that time.
ES: Did you know many people who worked
in the sandbanks who lived near you?
KM: No, no, only my brother, no. Oh sure,
but they're dead and gone. Alot of men of Port Washington worked there
but I didn't know them, really, really. I knew my brother was there,
ES: Are there any pictures that you have
of your brother
ES: working in the sandbanks?
KM: Oh, no, I was too little. And then,
later on, I got big but the locomotives disappeared and then come the
electric train. And they laid on the side there for years, the old electric
trains, off the track, lay there. In the Second World War I think they
got all that metal, took it all up. 1945 they got all that scrap.
ES: Have you seen the barges lying in Hempstead
KM: Oh yes.
ES: What do you think every time you pass
KM: Well, they had a big fire not too long
ago, tried to burn them up, didn't they? They've been there over fifty,
sixty, seventy years, I think.
ES: What do you think of when you see them?
KM: Well, I thought, why couldn't they
get rid of those things. If that was direct (?) cleared out the boats
could go right through without any trouble. But now it's worse than
ever. I think they burnt down to the water line, didn't they? Yeah,
that was a month or two ago, or two months ago?
ES: It was about two months ago, yes.
KM: They let it burn but it made it worse
than ever. You can't see it now. In high tide you'll rip your boat apart.
ES: But you remember the days when the barges
were going and full of sand?
KM: Oh, yes. And those other barges were
there that weren't any good any more, they left them there to rot, just
to get rid of, yeah. Didn't burn them out, disintegrate them or nothing,
just lay them there to rot.
ES: Do you think it's important for people
to know about the history of the sandbanks and what was once there?
KM: In our day, in a way, yes, but today's
generation, you know what it is. They don't give a Goddarn for anything.
Yeah, that was the life's living here. That and the estates and fishing,
that's all the income that was in this town here.
ES: What about the fact that Italians and
Polish people worked in the sandbanks? Did that make any sort of problems
with the native Port Washingtonians?
KM: No, no, they stayed down there, they
had the store down there. They brought them over from Italy, and they
got 'em for a song, they worked for a song.
ES: What about in terms of getting jobs,
wasn't it harder for somebody who already lived in Port Washington to
get a job at the sandbanks?
KM: Well, I'm going way back now, that
was the only income. Oh, later on there was everything that came along,
you know, later on.
ES: I mean, was it easy to get a job even
though all the Italians and the Polish were being brought in to work
KM: That's a question, that is a question,
but they didn't bother us. You know, there were Polish, Italians and
Portuguese, and everything in those days.
ES: I heard Nova Scotian, as well.
KM: Yeah, I can see the shacks now, all
tin things lived into. They just died and et [sic] there and they lived
there and had their grocery, I forget the name of the grocery store,
but I know the grocery store is gone, but the school is still there.
ES: Where is the school?
KM: Just as you get down to the bottom
of the hill you see it on the right. It's no more school but they made
something else into it, they did something else. It's now a house, I
think. I don't know. Apartments, I don't know what they did.
ES: Do you remember the Gallagher house
that was in the banks?
KM: Oh God, do I remember the Gallagher
house. Towards the end they went into some kind of big, electronic tapes
in there. They got wery modern, I mean it was some kind of big industry,
you know big, electronic tapes. Nothing to do with Gallagher, they had
some kind of big machines, computers? That was how many years ago, I
don't remember now. I had delivered, maybe ten years ago, I was in Port
Litho, I was building for a printer, and I delivered literature there,
and I seen all this equipment there.
ES: What did the house look like from the
outside, can you describe it?
KM: Beautiful, big porch and big house,
big doors, all that stuff. It was a mansion. Now they got up there is
all those benches for people to sit around, you know, all those benches.
I don't know whether they had a fire there or not, I'm not too sure.
ES: I heard it was demolished.
KM: Yeah, I think it was demolished. There
was nothing wrong with it but they demolished it, for the new park down
there, for Bar Beach.
ES:Do you remember the hermit who lived
down by the sand pits?
KM: No, I never mingled with 'em, I could
just go see 'em as you go down Shore Road on the right.
ES: Yeah, but you do remember there being
hermits? A few...
KM: Oh, they come from Italy, they brought
'em over from Italy and they worked there. This goes pretty far back
now, when I was a little baby.
ES: Do you remember having seen the shacks,
and when was the last time?
KM: Oh, the shacks were there about twenty-five
years ago or more, or thirty years ago, I think.
ES: They were still there?
KM: Oh, yeah, yeah. Just where the hill
goes up, you know where the hill goes up, you know all those houses
on top there? Well, right down below there was all shacks along like
that. And was supposed to keep that. But that hill worries me, if you've
ever noticed it.
ES: I know, the erosion...
KM: If it ever gets slanty coming down,
you know what I mean? They have big planks there like that, but in a
big storm...we'll find out some day. More than one person's talking
about that. Have you ever noticed it?
ES: Oh, yes, the erosion, it's going to
KM: It's too near the edge up there, too
near the edge.
ES: Yes. Whose responsibility do you think
it would be if anything did happen to these houses?
KM: I don't know. It'd be a landslide,
a heavy storm'd make it sort of a landslide. I don't know whose responsibility
ES: How was the sandpits different from
beach at the seashore?
KM: The seashore was a mess, it was nothing
but stones on all of Bar Beach. It was terrible, nothing but stones
and those little stones.
ES: The sand at the sandpits was better
KM: Oh yeah, but they never bothered with
that. It was an old pavilion there, you undressed and everything, you
know what I
KM: mean. It was terrible, just a little
stones all around.
ES: Do you remember how many hours a day
your brother worked?
KM: No, that I do not.
ES: Or whether working there affected his
health at all or if he had complaints about the working conditions?
KM: No, he was driving that locomotive
a long time. I don't know, it didn't seem to bother him. Then he got
into the rail- road in later years, oh my God, later years, way later
years. Then he was a plumber before that and all these different things.
My father got him in, you know, in the railroad. Then he went to the
subway, then he owed a debt and then they fired him. They had five kids.
ES: What did you think about when you heard
that the library was doing a program about the sandpits?
KM: Well, I was interested because it's
old history about Port Washington, Those things are gone and people
like to know what's just what. It was nice to know those things, yeah.
ES: Can I get a few dates from you, if you
remember these at all, just to clarify the dates again?
KM: It was in the twenties, it was in the
twenties that they still had the locomotives.
ES: Right, but in terms of your family,
was your father born in Port Washington?
KM: Born in Port Washington, yes. Lived
to be 86 years old.
ES: He would have been eighty-six years
KM: He lived to be that.
ES: Oh, he lived to be eighty-six. And he
died about fifteen years ago?
KM: Yeah, yeah.
ES: And was his father born in Port Washington?
KM: Yes, Markland, yeah.
ES: What am going to do is write down some
of these facts, because this might be easier. Would you consider yourself
a clamdigger family?
KM: Yes, Moses, Marcos and...and...what's
his name, that lawyer? He wasn't much of a lawyer, but he's in Florida
now. What was his name? They all go back.
ES: Oh, Mackey? The Mackeys? :
KM: No, Mackey. goes back all right here
(?), Mackey and Hults' all the Hults'.
ES: Yes, Bert and Cliff.
KM: Yes, Hults and Moses, Markles (?).
ES: What about Reese? Do you remember Reese?
KM: No, I don't know about Reese, no, I
don't remember him.
ES: How would you define a "clamdigger?"
KM: That was a livin', to sell clams, sold
it to Louie Zwerlein, you know, and sold to the restaurants and sold
it to people that wanted them.
ES: Was that a bigger industry than the
KM: Oh no, no. In the beginning, yes, way
back in the beginning that was it there, that was too far beyond me,
ES: It's true, there's a whole history there
waiting to be uncovered.
KM: There was no trouble,and no fights or
nothin? there, they never had any fights down there or nothin'. If it
did we never heard nothin' about it. You know, most of the foreigners,
ES: What about the strikes, do you remember
hearing about strikes?
KM: I don't think they had strikes in those
days, way back in the twenties. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, I
don't know. I was too young to care about strikes.
ES: What if you had worked in the sandbanks?
KM: I was too little.
ES: But the sandbanks are still in operation.
There are alot of men in Port Washington who, even today, work there.
KM: Yeah, but it's different now. You're
driving no more trains, you're in an office now today and everything
else. No, I don't think you'd get a job what's left there. It's only
two left there down there, right? Two, that's all. I used to go there
and deliver blueprints. I worked for Port Litho, you know, and I worked
there for twenty years, drove a truck all around the Island.
ES: What kind of blueprints did you deliver?
KM: Plans of the trestles and all that
things. Well, you know, we'd go and we'd make a blueprint for them.
You know, they'd write these down and then we'd have to make a blueprint
and give them the blueprints.
Q:Who was drawing the blueprints at Port Litho? Oh, they drew them
KM: They drew them and then we made the
blueprint out of them. Then we went into a press, a regular press, towards
the end, and then Port Litho would make literature for buildings and
everything, for business people, literature, big literature by the tons
ES: That's interesting.
KM: they moved to Deer Park, went to Deer
Park about three years ago and that was the end, then I said "I
give up I'm getting too old." Every day I'd go to Deer Park, You
know where Deer Park is?
ES: Yes, it's far. How often did you have
to go down to the sandbanks to deliver these blueprints would you say?
KM: Not very much.
ES: Once or twice?
KM: Oh no, no, every once in a while. I'd
go to the big office there, that's all, yeah, in the office.
ES: And do you remember who you waw in the
KM: Yeah, but not any more, I don't know
his name anymore. That was when we were in the blueprint business, then
we went into the printing business.
ES: Yes, but I think it's interesting that
you did the blue- prints for the trestles.
KM: Oh yeah, with this old, big machine
with ammonia comes out of the machine like that, you know, out comes
ES: And were they still actively putting
up trestles and conveyer belts when you were working for Port?
KM: Oh yeah, oh yeah, sure. I don't know
putting up trestles, yeah, they were doing something, they had all these
big layouts. Oh, sure, they must've been improving. It was that last
one that's there, none of the others, just that last one's there, the
one today that stands there, none of the others, they were gone, had
no dealings with them, yeah.
KM: Colonial, I don't know how long they're
gonna be. You don't see much digging but they're still digging aren't
ES: Yes, they're far back towards the cliffs.
KM: Yeah, yeah, there's not much left,
I think. That's the trouble. They're about done, already.
ES: What would you like to see be done with
the land that is now barren that Colonial has mined?
KM: There's supposed to be all beautiful
houses down there.
You know, not apartments but, what do you call those one-story houses?
ES: Town houses.
KM: Yeah, that was in the paper that was
gonna be. All in there, beautiful, it's gonna be a lovely layout, but
with the depression going on today I don' t se&~-~it happening,
it's not going to happen yet.
ES: Would you buy a house in that area if
KM: No, no, I'm gonna die here, it's my
house. I'm gonna stay right here and die. I'm happy here. It's private
here, it's lovely and lonely here, not alot of noise. Although last
Friday they slashed ten cars on the next street down here.
ES: I know, I heard. What I'll do is conclude
the interview now by thanking Mr. Markland so much for cooperating and
letting us interview him today.
KM: Well, it was very nice speaking to
ES: Mr. Markland, we did say goodbye but
I wanted to ask you, I forgot, about the Marino mansion up on Port Washington
Boulevard. Can you describe what this stone house looked like and something
about the man?
KM: Well the man was a big, fat man with
a moustache, and as you go in the whole wall, the whole floor, was in
tile, little white tiles. He had fountains in there, and he had a £ountain
outside. It was beautiful. And he was a nice old man, yeah, knew him
for years, Mr. Marino.
ES: Do you know his house was built out
of the sand in the sandbanks? Or the gravel.
KM: big stone blocks, imported stone blocks,
KM: blocks, you know, like that.
ES: And they were imported?
KM: Well, I imagine so, yes, sure, sure,
that Marino castle, sure, that was imported. There were big, stone blocks
all glued together, yeah.
ES: And how did you know Mr. Marino?
KM: Through radio, I was with the boss
for twenty years, we used to sell him radio, then we opened to washing
machines and different things like that and I used to go to his house.
He says, "give me a coupla bucks for that old clock there."
I said, "Sure." It was layin' in the attic, layin' in the
attic, layin' in the attic and last year I brought it out of the attic.
I said "line up, make it run, get 'em all going". There's
another clock over there, see that one, that goes.
ES: And Mr. Marino owned one of the sandbanks?
KM: No, I don't think he had anything to
do with sandbanks.
ES: I thought he was from the Marino family
that were the sand contractors.
KM: It could be, I couldn't say, I don't
know. He had two sons, one hung himself and all that, we don't want
that. (Tape interrrupts) Al Smith used to come to the East Side when
Mr. Mosher was the head of the sandbanks down there, and they used to
he was a drunkard, he was a mess. Al Smith, the old president, you know.
And they used to bring the liquor in from the shore there and they wanted
Mr. Mosher to give them money to do that but he wouldn't do it. That
didn't go through, in the back there, with the liquor. And he wouldn't
do it, but it didn't hurt him none, but he refused it. His son told
me about that, yeah.
ES: That's an interesting story. This is
the end of Interview Number One with Kenneth Markland.
The date is December 1, 1981.
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